A lot of the performance improvements mentioned seem to be tied directly to metal, I wonder what the case is with older devices that don't support it, but support iOS9
Metal is just an api and since Apple knows everything about their own hardware, perhaps they're able to allow A5 and A6 to use metal just for the animations? I can't wait to use the beta to see how much quicker and shorter the animations are.
You're getting it wrong actually. Quicker and shorter animation depends on how Apple wants people to perceive. They still have full control of it. I doubt they will give people access to control those setting like Android do.
What may change is the fluidity of each animation transition.
Allowing them to use Metal for animations would mean having Metal work on them in the first place...In which case, why not just release Metal for them. I think they're simply not compatible, like how Mantle only goes back to GCN 1.
A lot of these features are long overdue and I'm glad they're implementing them now, but I seriously wish that Apple would stop talking sh*t about their competitors. Just stop, Apple, it's not funny anymore.
On a positive side, I'm glad to see that the iPhomne 4S gets extended support. That's far more than Google gives the newer Nexus 4. And $15 for Apple Music Family seems like a pretty sweet deal.
I don't think they mentioned Google or Microsoft a single time in their presentation. Bringing metal to animations is pretty smart and is something that Microsoft should do for Windows 10 to improve battery life.
Everything in Windows is directx. The battery life is great, 15 hours on this site for the XPS13. The animation lag was always on OSX. Metal represents a desperately needed measure for OSX.
It's 15 hours on power saver (cpu forced at minimum frequency, around 800mhz) vs the regular power option on mac. My haswell ulv with a 3 cell battery struggles to get more than 4 hours browsing the web with chrome (not watching twitch or youtube). Battery life in Windows is just plain awful.
I started using my laptop maybe less than half an hour ago, and I'm already down to 78% with 1 hr 28 min left according to windows. I started with a full charge.
My now 7 year old thinkpad with 4 year old battery gets better battery than that (9 call, 93Whr iirc, probably down to 40-60 Whr after transfer of power at this point)
Um... There is definitely something wrong with your battery or configuration (power profile, software running in the background, etc.) I have a Haswell ULV laptop (Flip 13) as well and using Word/PP plus Chrome nets me 5-7 hours depending on screen brightness, with balanced power profile. This is also with a puny 36Wh battery. I can switch it to a power saving profile that can squeeze another hour out without affecting light usage performance.
Uh... That's because Chrome ignores and abuses the timer coalescing mechanisms in Windows and OS X that are designed to save battery power. Any other browser will significantly improve your battery runtime.
Yes, but...do we know how Mac throttles on regular power option? That they call power mode "regular" doesn't mean it runs at 2.6GHz while browsing web. From power perspective, it would be crazy not to slow down laptop's hear-beat as much as possible for something as trivial as web browsing.
Also... 13"MBP is heavier, and has around 9h of battery for casual use. Even higher resolution XPS 13 - which, I think, pumps out more pixels than 13" MBP - still should squeeze out more runtime than Mac.
I don't think that battery life is bad on Windows as per default - but it is bad on many laptops because OEMs don't pay much attention to optimise drivers, firmware, remove junk. Those that want to make an effort - like Dell with new XPS - can get decent results.
In addition, Win 10 with DX12 will have low level APIs, which should be in line with philosophy that Mantle, Metal... also XBO and PS4 (and older consoles) have already established; reduce the middle-men, let the software communicate to hardware as directly as possible.
So.. You're using Chrome. That browser installs services, stuff in the startup options, more in scheduled tasks and more. You're using, probably, the crappiest browser you can for battery life.
P.s. If you also have itunes installed there's even more rubbish running. No wonder windows isn't great for battery life... the people using them simply do not tweak or know what does x or y to battery life.
Chrome is the most used web browser in the world today, and as much as I might prefer that people use IE there are compelling reasons not to for most. Windows and Laptops in general don't seem to take this into account (besides Chromebooks of course). It would not be unreasonable for Microsoft/Apple to include OS optimisation for users who use Chrome. How do you know that it's not Windows/OSX trying to deliberately slow Chrome adoption in a non-obvious way? The bottom line is that even though I now avoid Chrome because it kills my MS Surface Pro 3 battery even faster than it normally would, in favour of Firefox, I used to use it before the battery drain started impacting the device due to the healthy plug in market. Either way, if a user with a laptop using Chrome has a battery drain issue, they are not likely to blame the browser for the poor performance but the laptop manufacturer.
"The battery life is great"? Please tell my Surface Pro 3. 4 hours into work, and that's all folks...Maybe it will get better running Windows 10, but I doubt it...
Didn't the Nexus 4 get Lollipop and everything that goes with it? Did they announce it's not getting M already? I must've missed that, haven't stayed atop Android news, pretty happy with my N5 tho.
Split View looks cool, I've never used a Galaxy but I imagine a native multi tasking implementation would have to be better... I guess Google will have to follow suit soon, about time too.
It's more that they announced Windows 8. But for devices that people actually use. Windows 8 was an OS for Windows tablets (a thing most people didn't have, and apparently didn't want). Apple definitely lifted ideas from Windows, as well as webOS and other OSs. As Microsoft has done in the past.
Siri/Apple is severely left in the dust by Google when it comes to data awareness. If this is important to you Google just is in the lead here. It has more and better data and a vision of actually using it.
Apple can try to make that shine with offering more potential for privacy (whatever that means) than Google, but its services are pretty much me-too. Apple did NEVER understand networks and it also can't get the Cloud. They sell great hardware with as much as nice software as they need to be able to sell it at all.
But then you still can use everything Google even on an iPhone, so who cares.
Some people don't care enough about it either way or have enough of an attachment to iOS to care more about that. Basic attachment to the OS and what you've already paid for seems to be the biggest thing keeping people on one or the other, at least based on my anecdotal evidence. /shrug
I would have zero issues switching to something like Windows (from Android) if it was appealing enough, I've bought a decent amount of apps but probably use less than most...
What's funny is that the people who complain about Siri are not the people that actually use it. It's the whiners from other platforms that like to believe their service is better. Many tests have been done and found that these services are generally comparable. Some are better than others at different things. Apple is managing to add the right features and in a way that isn't creepy and that respects end user privacy. From your comments, it's clear that you don't even understand what that means. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy...
The problem with Google Now and Siri (and whatever the MS one is called) is always remembering what you can and can't ask the different systems to do, but mainly the fact that nobody uses them in public because you look like a twit. I wish people would use them more, so dictating responses on my Apple Watch was more socially acceptable :-)
I think the public beta is a good idea as that has traditionally occurred in the first 2 months after an iOS release. At least they're calling it beta now prior to a release. Up to an hour of battery life improvement for iPhone 6 or 6+? Either way extra battery life is a plus. I buy into how they're achieving it through leveraging Metal for everyday usage.
Forgot to mention the Notes app also received a needed update on iOS. The Notes app hadn't changed since iOS 1 (likely accurate exaggeration).
I think they're underrating the 1 hour battery life gain and 3 hour from power save so it's kind of an average of all the phones with the newer, more efficient phones getting better battery life and the older, less efficient ones only marginally improving or even using the 4s as the baseline as the minimum battery life increase you would get. But then, they didn't really specify under what conditions that 1 hour comes from.
apple is still the best smartphone.. atleast for me ..what ever the update you get on android it still hangs which you never find it in an apple product.
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tipoo - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
A lot of the performance improvements mentioned seem to be tied directly to metal, I wonder what the case is with older devices that don't support it, but support iOS9kurahk7 - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Metal is just an api and since Apple knows everything about their own hardware, perhaps they're able to allow A5 and A6 to use metal just for the animations? I can't wait to use the beta to see how much quicker and shorter the animations are.WorldWithoutMadness - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
You're getting it wrong actually.Quicker and shorter animation depends on how Apple wants people to perceive. They still have full control of it. I doubt they will give people access to control those setting like Android do.
What may change is the fluidity of each animation transition.
tipoo - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
Allowing them to use Metal for animations would mean having Metal work on them in the first place...In which case, why not just release Metal for them. I think they're simply not compatible, like how Mantle only goes back to GCN 1.Laxaa - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
So Apple basically announced Windows 10?A lot of these features are long overdue and I'm glad they're implementing them now, but I seriously wish that Apple would stop talking sh*t about their competitors. Just stop, Apple, it's not funny anymore.
On a positive side, I'm glad to see that the iPhomne 4S gets extended support. That's far more than Google gives the newer Nexus 4. And $15 for Apple Music Family seems like a pretty sweet deal.
kurahk7 - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
I don't think they mentioned Google or Microsoft a single time in their presentation. Bringing metal to animations is pretty smart and is something that Microsoft should do for Windows 10 to improve battery life.id4andrei - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Everything in Windows is directx. The battery life is great, 15 hours on this site for the XPS13. The animation lag was always on OSX. Metal represents a desperately needed measure for OSX.kurahk7 - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
It's 15 hours on power saver (cpu forced at minimum frequency, around 800mhz) vs the regular power option on mac. My haswell ulv with a 3 cell battery struggles to get more than 4 hours browsing the web with chrome (not watching twitch or youtube). Battery life in Windows is just plain awful.kurahk7 - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
I started using my laptop maybe less than half an hour ago, and I'm already down to 78% with 1 hr 28 min left according to windows. I started with a full charge.testbug00 - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
My now 7 year old thinkpad with 4 year old battery gets better battery than that (9 call, 93Whr iirc, probably down to 40-60 Whr after transfer of power at this point)0.0
cerunnos - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
Um... There is definitely something wrong with your battery or configuration (power profile, software running in the background, etc.) I have a Haswell ULV laptop (Flip 13) as well and using Word/PP plus Chrome nets me 5-7 hours depending on screen brightness, with balanced power profile. This is also with a puny 36Wh battery. I can switch it to a power saving profile that can squeeze another hour out without affecting light usage performance.sonicmerlin - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Uh... That's because Chrome ignores and abuses the timer coalescing mechanisms in Windows and OS X that are designed to save battery power. Any other browser will significantly improve your battery runtime.hans_ober - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Truenikon133 - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Yes, but...do we know how Mac throttles on regular power option? That they call power mode "regular" doesn't mean it runs at 2.6GHz while browsing web. From power perspective, it would be crazy not to slow down laptop's hear-beat as much as possible for something as trivial as web browsing.Also... 13"MBP is heavier, and has around 9h of battery for casual use. Even higher resolution XPS 13 - which, I think, pumps out more pixels than 13" MBP - still should squeeze out more runtime than Mac.
I don't think that battery life is bad on Windows as per default - but it is bad on many laptops because OEMs don't pay much attention to optimise drivers, firmware, remove junk. Those that want to make an effort - like Dell with new XPS - can get decent results.
In addition, Win 10 with DX12 will have low level APIs, which should be in line with philosophy that Mantle, Metal... also XBO and PS4 (and older consoles) have already established; reduce the middle-men, let the software communicate to hardware as directly as possible.
damianrobertjones - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
So.. You're using Chrome. That browser installs services, stuff in the startup options, more in scheduled tasks and more. You're using, probably, the crappiest browser you can for battery life.P.s. If you also have itunes installed there's even more rubbish running. No wonder windows isn't great for battery life... the people using them simply do not tweak or know what does x or y to battery life.
robinthakur - Thursday, June 11, 2015 - link
Chrome is the most used web browser in the world today, and as much as I might prefer that people use IE there are compelling reasons not to for most. Windows and Laptops in general don't seem to take this into account (besides Chromebooks of course). It would not be unreasonable for Microsoft/Apple to include OS optimisation for users who use Chrome. How do you know that it's not Windows/OSX trying to deliberately slow Chrome adoption in a non-obvious way? The bottom line is that even though I now avoid Chrome because it kills my MS Surface Pro 3 battery even faster than it normally would, in favour of Firefox, I used to use it before the battery drain started impacting the device due to the healthy plug in market. Either way, if a user with a laptop using Chrome has a battery drain issue, they are not likely to blame the browser for the poor performance but the laptop manufacturer.thunderising - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
I agree. The MacBook Air laptops need it even more.WinterCharm - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
The animation lag only really started after Mavericks. :Probinthakur - Thursday, June 11, 2015 - link
"The battery life is great"? Please tell my Surface Pro 3. 4 hours into work, and that's all folks...Maybe it will get better running Windows 10, but I doubt it...WorldWithoutMadness - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
They mentioned Android and Windows once when they're bragging about the adoption rate for each OSX and iOS.Impulses - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Didn't the Nexus 4 get Lollipop and everything that goes with it? Did they announce it's not getting M already? I must've missed that, haven't stayed atop Android news, pretty happy with my N5 tho.Split View looks cool, I've never used a Galaxy but I imagine a native multi tasking implementation would have to be better... I guess Google will have to follow suit soon, about time too.
getwired - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
It's more that they announced Windows 8. But for devices that people actually use. Windows 8 was an OS for Windows tablets (a thing most people didn't have, and apparently didn't want). Apple definitely lifted ideas from Windows, as well as webOS and other OSs. As Microsoft has done in the past.uhuznaa - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Siri/Apple is severely left in the dust by Google when it comes to data awareness. If this is important to you Google just is in the lead here. It has more and better data and a vision of actually using it.Apple can try to make that shine with offering more potential for privacy (whatever that means) than Google, but its services are pretty much me-too. Apple did NEVER understand networks and it also can't get the Cloud. They sell great hardware with as much as nice software as they need to be able to sell it at all.
But then you still can use everything Google even on an iPhone, so who cares.
Impulses - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Some people don't care enough about it either way or have enough of an attachment to iOS to care more about that. Basic attachment to the OS and what you've already paid for seems to be the biggest thing keeping people on one or the other, at least based on my anecdotal evidence. /shrugI would have zero issues switching to something like Windows (from Android) if it was appealing enough, I've bought a decent amount of apps but probably use less than most...
techconc - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
What's funny is that the people who complain about Siri are not the people that actually use it. It's the whiners from other platforms that like to believe their service is better. Many tests have been done and found that these services are generally comparable. Some are better than others at different things. Apple is managing to add the right features and in a way that isn't creepy and that respects end user privacy. From your comments, it's clear that you don't even understand what that means. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy...robinthakur - Thursday, June 11, 2015 - link
The problem with Google Now and Siri (and whatever the MS one is called) is always remembering what you can and can't ask the different systems to do, but mainly the fact that nobody uses them in public because you look like a twit. I wish people would use them more, so dictating responses on my Apple Watch was more socially acceptable :-)eanazag - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
I think the public beta is a good idea as that has traditionally occurred in the first 2 months after an iOS release. At least they're calling it beta now prior to a release. Up to an hour of battery life improvement for iPhone 6 or 6+? Either way extra battery life is a plus. I buy into how they're achieving it through leveraging Metal for everyday usage.Forgot to mention the Notes app also received a needed update on iOS. The Notes app hadn't changed since iOS 1 (likely accurate exaggeration).
kurahk7 - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
I think they're underrating the 1 hour battery life gain and 3 hour from power save so it's kind of an average of all the phones with the newer, more efficient phones getting better battery life and the older, less efficient ones only marginally improving or even using the 4s as the baseline as the minimum battery life increase you would get. But then, they didn't really specify under what conditions that 1 hour comes from.testbug00 - Monday, June 8, 2015 - link
Still no landscape rotation lock for the larger screen iPhones? Great.Hopefully it comes. yawn.
name99 - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
Uhh, WTF are you talking about? Pull up control panel on any iOS device and there's a rotation lock.davidgoscinny - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
"Landscape". It's available on iPad but not on the iPhone 6+ or any other iPhone for that matter.I'm not sure which phones offer that possibility though.
robinthakur - Thursday, June 11, 2015 - link
Landscape is available on the 6+ as long as it's not in zoom mode.damianrobertjones - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
It still looks like Windows Mobile 6.0GlobeGadget - Tuesday, June 9, 2015 - link
Let's hope that the transit routes won't be as fucked as Maps got!Ashikaa - Thursday, November 23, 2017 - link
http://htcservicecare.comapple is still the best smartphone.. atleast for me ..what ever the update you get on android it still hangs which you never find it in an apple product.