I was just debating about ordering a new video card now or waiting to see what might come out soon. This is just TOO convenient! I can't wait to see if Nvidia announces new cards and when they'll come out (hopefully VERY soon). Thanks for doing this live blog, Anand!
Well I just tried it I had access to the beta and never installed it
It just maxed out settings for any game. But that's not optimal for me with my GTX570 and Battlefield 3 or Borderlands, will try with a lesser GPU and see what it does.
Increasing low latency internet bandwidth is much more difficult than increaing computation power of client devices. So for a large number of people, cloud gaming is worthless.
Anyone else think it's funny they use Trine 2 to show off their fancy new hardware? Show me Far Cry 3 or something else that actually taxes our systems. The user that is interested in this is the one who can't get a good experience in high end games using their own hardware. Come on nvidia!
Also, agreed that cloud gaming is in many cases, worthless
Ofcourse they used Trine2. They cant use FarCry3 or even Crysis1 on 1080p with 4xMSAA, because it will completely gimp the "Nvidia Grid". These use GK107 GPU's. I am surprised they didnt showcase Mario Super Bros
If Nvidia is smart, they can kill steam with this. The NV grid could be the go to game provider with this. Or it could be used by steam itself to service games from the cloud.
Still I don't see how it can do low latency games. Input lag would be killer. Online games on the other hand (like wow/aion and even sc2) could see a big benefit given that the game itself could be hosted by blizzard or ncsoft and you just get the streamed game.
I could see people putting up with it for something like WoW, but there's no way it would be acceptable for competitive-focused games like Starcraft 2.
Can a two chip solution ever be as power efficient as an integrated sollution ? I ask this, because A15 architecture has proven itself to be power hog at loads. So a separate chip will most probably make power usage worse.
Just wanted to give the biggest possible props to the journalists covering this event on behalf of Anandtech. I cant tell you how utterly refreshing it is to read unbiased journalism. Pointing out frame rate drops and problems with the demo units, as well as contradictory numbers Nvidia is claiming. Its all so awesome. Keep up the good work gentlemen. I wish more new outlets were this honest.
With each Cortex-A15 core consuming 2W per core, plus a couple watts for the 72-core GPU, Tegra 4's TDP seems to be well over 10W. Is nVidia planning for Tegra 4 to be used with active cooling or will the cores just be throttled significantly?
Fair question, the implementation in the Project Shield did have a heatsink that they showed in the internals video. Seems like a tough fit for a phone, but then I did say the same thing about T3 in phones and that worked ok.
I have my desktop plugged into my 52" TV with a wireless keyboard and mouse and a game pad (ps3). Why would I ever want this shield thing for PC games? I'm sure it will be way way more expensive and impractical.compared.to just plugging your PC into the TV directly! Am I missing something? Not revolutionary at all...
maybe if I want to lay in bed and do PC games but that also doesn't make sense
I am wholly unexcited about using this Shield thing to wireless stream games from your PC . I'm already doing it better and probably cheaper with - a wireless Xbox360 controller - a GigaByte SkyVision WS100 WHDI transmitter
it would be nice if the screen was detachable, i think they said it was able to wirelessly stream video via a dongle. i would prefer to see it as a console so you can do multiplayer without buying another one kind of like the ouya, obviously multiplayer in that regaurd would spell trouble when playing pc games and nothing is optimized for this whether its games or hardware. i am still very impressed with the shield and everything else nvidia announced today.
This could be a great opportunity for Valve and NVidia if they play their cards right, they just got a lot of free advertising today.
Integrating your steam account with an nvidia grid powered service for gaming when you're not at home would be great, to that end I guess Valve would have to jump on the nvidia grid bandwagon.
I hope any tegra4 device (or any android device for the matter) can use the streaming functionality, I guess it will be locked down but what if there is an nvidia powered steambox in the bedroom and you have a more powerful PC in another room, being able to take advantage of the most powerful available hardware would be great.
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anindrew - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
I was just debating about ordering a new video card now or waiting to see what might come out soon. This is just TOO convenient! I can't wait to see if Nvidia announces new cards and when they'll come out (hopefully VERY soon). Thanks for doing this live blog, Anand!Ryan Smith - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
Was announced back in May: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5805/nvidia-geforce-...paul878 - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
Where is the 780?Ryan Smith - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
You're about 4 months too early, I'm afraid. Check back in the Spring.anindrew - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
That's a shame. I was really hoping for new card announcements. Thanks for the info, anyway.mayankleoboy1 - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
+1Cloud gaming and GeForce Experience (an app for lazy people who dont know shit about settings.)
fr500 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Well I just tried it I had access to the beta and never installed itIt just maxed out settings for any game. But that's not optimal for me with my GTX570 and Battlefield 3 or Borderlands, will try with a lesser GPU and see what it does.
mayankleoboy1 - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
Increasing low latency internet bandwidth is much more difficult than increaing computation power of client devices. So for a large number of people, cloud gaming is worthless.Duwelon - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
With even the input lag of LCDs being a concern, I really can't see this GRID actually benefiting gamers anytime soon...mayankleoboy1 - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
I basically see this as a marketing gimmick to get console gamers to buy1) expensive smart TV's, preferably with a Nvidia SoC
2)expensive tablets.
3) subscribe to a expensive "game streaming service".
geddiesburg - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
Anyone else think it's funny they use Trine 2 to show off their fancy new hardware? Show me Far Cry 3 or something else that actually taxes our systems. The user that is interested in this is the one who can't get a good experience in high end games using their own hardware. Come on nvidia!Also, agreed that cloud gaming is in many cases, worthless
mayankleoboy1 - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
Ofcourse they used Trine2. They cant use FarCry3 or even Crysis1 on 1080p with 4xMSAA, because it will completely gimp the "Nvidia Grid". These use GK107 GPU's. I am surprised they didnt showcase Mario Super Brosgeddiesburg - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
Hahaha Super Mario Bros... now THAT would have been epicredviper - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
If Nvidia is smart, they can kill steam with this. The NV grid could be the go to game provider with this. Or it could be used by steam itself to service games from the cloud.Still I don't see how it can do low latency games. Input lag would be killer. Online games on the other hand (like wow/aion and even sc2) could see a big benefit given that the game itself could be hosted by blizzard or ncsoft and you just get the streamed game.
althaz - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
I could see people putting up with it for something like WoW, but there's no way it would be acceptable for competitive-focused games like Starcraft 2.dgz - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
@redviper Streaming multiplayer games? You're a genius...mayankleoboy1 - Sunday, January 6, 2013 - link
With all the next gen consoles using AMD CPU and GPU, Nvidia *has* to do something to make some moneymayankleoboy1 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Can a two chip solution ever be as power efficient as an integrated sollution ? I ask this, because A15 architecture has proven itself to be power hog at loads. So a separate chip will most probably make power usage worse.mayankleoboy1 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blowThis opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo
redviper - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
I was so excited to see the windows logo. This would make a great Surface 2.cmikeh2 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
That tablet looked like a Windows RT tablet running Android. Did anyone else notice that?skiboysteve - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Has a windows button on the bottom and an android menu bar at the bottom of the UI.wonder if its supposed to be windows by release but it was easier to customize the android camera app for demo
MegaGeek1 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Just wanted to give the biggest possible props to the journalists covering this event on behalf of Anandtech. I cant tell you how utterly refreshing it is to read unbiased journalism. Pointing out frame rate drops and problems with the demo units, as well as contradictory numbers Nvidia is claiming. Its all so awesome. Keep up the good work gentlemen. I wish more new outlets were this honest.madmilk - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
With each Cortex-A15 core consuming 2W per core, plus a couple watts for the 72-core GPU, Tegra 4's TDP seems to be well over 10W. Is nVidia planning for Tegra 4 to be used with active cooling or will the cores just be throttled significantly?tipoo - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Fair question, the implementation in the Project Shield did have a heatsink that they showed in the internals video. Seems like a tough fit for a phone, but then I did say the same thing about T3 in phones and that worked ok.glenricky - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
WOW NVIDIA WOW!!! This one is interestingmayankleoboy1 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
So what is Project Thor ?tipoo - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
I've heard that name in relation to either the next Sony or Microsoft console, I forget which.HanzNFranzen - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
I enjoyed that very much! Great coverage Anand!! Shield looks like it could end up being very intersting.. as long as its not $400.00!mayankleoboy1 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
On its own, Shield should be cheaper. But the whole "shield ecosystem" , that you will actually end up buying, will cost more than $400silverblue - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
I'm liking the idea of private cloud computing/gaming, so it'll be interesting to see how this pans out.skiboysteve - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
I have my desktop plugged into my 52" TV with a wireless keyboard and mouse and a game pad (ps3). Why would I ever want this shield thing for PC games? I'm sure it will be way way more expensive and impractical.compared.to just plugging your PC into the TV directly! Am I missing something? Not revolutionary at all...maybe if I want to lay in bed and do PC games but that also doesn't make sense
maximumGPU - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Not everyone wants to drag their massive PC to the living room where the tv sits just for gaming!Kiste - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
I am wholly unexcited about using this Shield thing to wireless stream games from your PC . I'm already doing it better and probably cheaper with- a wireless Xbox360 controller
- a GigaByte SkyVision WS100 WHDI transmitter
The setup costs about $170 and does 1080p.
vanwazltoff - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
it would be nice if the screen was detachable, i think they said it was able to wirelessly stream video via a dongle. i would prefer to see it as a console so you can do multiplayer without buying another one kind of like the ouya, obviously multiplayer in that regaurd would spell trouble when playing pc games and nothing is optimized for this whether its games or hardware. i am still very impressed with the shield and everything else nvidia announced today.FearTec - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
I cant wait to get my hands on one of these...nhp12345 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Should we put a notice on top to tell everyone that this this article is read from bottom to top?cknobman - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Do retards run Nvidia?Project shield is about the dumbest thing I have seen this company announce.....EVER.
fr500 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Mobile gaming is an important market, what are you talking about, appart from the smaller screen than the controller I don't see a problemfr500 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
This could be a great opportunity for Valve and NVidia if they play their cards right, they just got a lot of free advertising today.Integrating your steam account with an nvidia grid powered service for gaming when you're not at home would be great, to that end I guess Valve would have to jump on the nvidia grid bandwagon.
I hope any tegra4 device (or any android device for the matter) can use the streaming functionality, I guess it will be locked down but what if there is an nvidia powered steambox in the bedroom and you have a more powerful PC in another room, being able to take advantage of the most powerful available hardware would be great.
tecknurd - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
Lazy that you can not make a proper article instead of some twitting or blog crap. You call your selves Aanandtech.fr500 - Monday, January 7, 2013 - link
It's a live blog....