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  • Kurosaki - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    I can almost smell those 8TB SSD's for 100usd, any year now.

    https://i.imgflip.com/cloo6.jpg
  • jeremyshaw - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    Probably using OLC... using octuple layer cells. Performance worse than 1999 32MB flash drive when out of SLC caching mode. TBW? More like GBW! Even WORM usecases will have enough read disruption to meaningfully decrease the lifespan of the flash!
  • 29a - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    What would we do without the wisdom of armchair electrical engineers?
  • jeremyshaw - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    We'd wryly post quips on news comments, probably.
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, December 14, 2020 - link

    Fill lousy QLC drives with games equally inferior?
  • deil - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    With OLC we would have 30 TB driver to ride now. They won't make it if it won't survive at least 100 writes, (more like 500) so 3PBW+. good luck writing that.
    You really want your PC to last for decades or are you ok with 5 years like 80% of users do use it?
    Then go back to your core 2 duo and magnetic drive and stop trying to stop progress.
  • waterdog - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    Building products with inferior performance and inferior longevity is not progress.
  • inighthawki - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    Not all applications require the fastest performance characteristics. And for the vast vast majority of users, the drive endurance of QLC NAND is well within reason. Very very few people are writing hundreds of GB of data to their SSD every day for years straight.
  • Spunjji - Wednesday, December 9, 2020 - link

    It absolutely is progress if it makes them so cheap that they become mass-market, and they're still fast and long-lived enough for said mass-market.

    Seriously this is pretty basic economics. It's not all about harder, better, faster, stronger. There's a reason Concorde and the A380 were both commercial failures, despite pushing back the technological boundaries of air travel (speed, capacity).
  • at_clucks - Friday, December 11, 2020 - link

    Other than the 737 MAX basically all airplanes flying today are up to the standards of carrying passengers safely. In order for the average user to enjoy the hypothetical OLC we have to really drop the standards for what it means to keep your data safe.

    The data is probably worth more than the drive itself so making them mass market and cheaper just makes losing your data cheaper if you don't fix the reliability aspect.
  • Mikewind Dale - Friday, December 18, 2020 - link

    How much data do you think the average user is writing?

    I built myself a computer two years ago that I use for both work and gaming. My 2 TB Samsung 970 EVO shows 47.84 TB written. But it's rated for 1,200 TBW over its lifespan. So it has used 1/25 of its life over 2 years. At this rate, it will take me 50 years to exhaust its TBW.

    Now, granted, I'm not a professional video editor who writes several GB per day. But most people aren't.
  • Oxford Guy - Monday, December 14, 2020 - link

    "Seriously this is pretty basic economics."

    Yes. Why pursue a superior technology when an inferior one can be sold instead?
  • Alexvrb - Sunday, December 20, 2020 - link

    Your mind must have been wiped clean when your hard drive died that you forgot how common it was for old hard drives to die. Seriously, a garbage tier SSD is better than a garbage tier HDD, and a good SSD is better than a good HDD. Repairing PCs in not-so-distant past meant dealing with a lot of dead or dying HDDs, recovering data from which was a PITA (though sometimes fruitful). I think the only one I couldn't recover *ANY* data from was a first-gen Raptor that suffered a sudden catastrophic failure.

    I might wax poetic about older systems and consoles from time to time, but I don't miss HDDs. If I ever rebuild an old system, I'll probably use adapters and an SSD for reliability sake.
  • Wereweeb - Saturday, February 6, 2021 - link

    "SSD's are so good, I really wish they were as bad as HDD's"
  • Spunjji - Wednesday, December 9, 2020 - link

    At least these endless goalpost-moving SSD-price posts have finally found a place to move them to that will probably never be reached. First it was 1$ per GB, then 50c per GB, then 25c per GB, and now that we're around 10c per GB you're out here asking for just over 1c per GB.

    You can't even get an 8TB HDD for 100usd yet. Settle down.
  • at_clucks - Friday, December 11, 2020 - link

    On the other hand at least we know how much proponents of "SSD at any cost (not price)" are willing to put the price of the drive ahead of the value of their data. If your data is less valuable than the drive you already have cheap thumbdrives to fill that void, you can even cram a few in a 2.3" or 3.5" case... This is all an average consumer who looks at price, capacity, and with a bit of luck also at the interface to their computer sees.

    HDD prices shouldn't be the reference. You should pay for the standard of reliability because their only purpose is to store your data. I don't want guarantees but the expected reliability should at the minimum match that of hard disks. Once that is reached I can pay a premium for the fact that the SSD is faster.
  • MDD1963 - Wednesday, December 9, 2020 - link

    was not all that long ago when even a 60 GB SSD was $500...
  • saratoga4 - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    Is this a native 176 stack or is it two half stacks sandwiched?
  • Billy Tallis - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    It's built as two stacks per die. SK hynix has been doing that (string stacking) since their 72L NAND, and Samsung is the only one still doing single-stack NAND.
  • faiakes - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    "Wile they have not..."

    How does 'wile' get past spell check?
  • waterdog - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    Acme spell checker
  • Tomatotech - Tuesday, December 8, 2020 - link

    No, a wily spellchecker.
  • bill.rookard - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    Wile is a word. You'd have to check grammar to catch that as a mistake. "She used her feminine wiles to lure him into bed."
  • at_clucks - Friday, December 11, 2020 - link

    Goes to show spell checkers are not proof readers.
  • Kurosaki - Tuesday, December 8, 2020 - link

    Hey, don't be vile.
  • WatcherCK - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link

    Is recycling of NAND a thing yet? Even if it is just grinding up the chips and reusing the resulting materials?
  • PixyMisa - Tuesday, December 8, 2020 - link

    If you grind up the chips you get sand.
  • Anymoore - Tuesday, December 8, 2020 - link

    Now that SK Hynix has bought Intel's NAND, their roadmap definitely needs some clarification.
  • Snowleopard3000 - Wednesday, December 16, 2020 - link

    So if I want 1 nvme drive for the os and applications where speed is key and then a second separate nvme for storage, what 2 nvme drives should I be looking at?

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